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18 Comments
Have you been drinking?
No, but I think maybe some of our politicians .
No thanks.
but I don’t think we’re in such a crisis that we need to break up the country to fix things.
You don’t need a shotgun to shoo flys.
The problem with our federal government is more severe than I think many of you people realize. For suggested reading–
Breach of Trust:How Washington D.C. Resists Reform and Makes Outsiders Insiders by CURRENT Oklahoma Senator Dr. Tom Coburn.
Your country is being overwhelmed by illegal immigrants and drug/gang cartels, your jobs are being outsourced in record numbers, radical muslims are also cropping up in increasing numbers. How much more damage do you want the feds to do?
How would ten regional governments accomplish stamping out special interest influence, stop illegal immigration and win the war on drugs?
What you’re talking about is a) politically impossible, b) fiscally improbable and c) culturally suicidal.
We fought a war to preserve the unity of this country, you may have heard about it, and it sounds like you would like to go back to the days of pickin’ cotton, setting one region against another.
Under my draft proposal car31, when the regions are created, initially citizens of the U.S. will only be allowed to be citizens of one region. Moreover, with the creations of 10 autonomous regional governments, multinational corporations will no longer have “free run” over the entire nation. They will have to do business separately with each republic. In short, it won’t be business as usual.
And with respect to illegal immigration and the war on drugs, I am a pragmatist and a realist. It is clear that not all sections of the country feel the same way on these issues and want different approaches to dealing with them. This one size fits all approach that we now have coming out of D.C. no longer cuts it as is evidenced by failed illegal immigration policies and a failed war on drugs.
What I am proposing is politically feasible. It can be accomplished via an Article V Convention. My draft proposal makes it very attractive to the states to have one. Regional treasuries will replace the U.S. Treasury.
The federal reserve system will remain intact with district banks becoming regional central banks.
And as per the Civil War and the future, if 10 autonomous regions were created, I would anticipate great economic cooperation between them. Preserving the unity of this country came at too high a cost in terms of lives lost and when you look at the state of affairs in our nation today one truly has to question the wisdom of keeping such a diverse nation under one leaking umbrella. It should also be pointed out that empires that are ruled from a distance—Greece, Rome, and most recently the Soviet Union–do not fair too well in the long term. The Capitol cities become corrupt and the empire serves to support them and their often hair-brained agendas. This is exactly the situation we have today. It’s time to say NO to the self-serving oligarchy!
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I’ll tell you what – how about we start off with greater state autonomy and move from there.
You say you want greater state autonomy. I just provided you with a plan which will provide you with just that. Then you call ME a loon.
So much for constructive dialogue folks.
Your plan is the extreme case of providing more autonomy to the states. I was thinking more along the lines of increased funding for CDBGs and greater flexibility on land management, interstate trade compacts, multistate purchasing agreements – that sort of stuff.
I still think dividing the US into ten autonomous regions is loony – but to fair, the line, “you’re a loon” came from Monty Python, not me.
Thanks for your clarification car 31–I’m a python fan too! 🙂 All your ideas are good ones, except the feds today have their hands and the final world in just about everything. With my proposal, and automous regional governments, the states I believe would have a lot more strength to accomplish a lot of what you want to see. Of course, the feds have their own vision for our nation’s future . . .http://www.spp.gov
But it bears repeating – now that you’ve stated what I would politely call “scare talk” in your post here, can you tell us what breaking up the country would do about these problems (I’ll take your word that things are that bad).
You stated in an earlier post, Aristotle, that you didn’t think we had reached a crisis point that warranted breaking up the country into regions. That was earlier this year. Well events have changed dramatically since then—particularly economically—do you think we’ve reached a point when it should be considered?
Senator Glenn McConnell, President Pro Temp of the South Carolina Senate is now on record as supporting a Constitutional Convention to deal with illegal immigration. He also has the support of the House Speaker.
According to FAIR, illegal immigration costs Colorado an estimated 711 million dollars annually.
5-6 % of Colorado’s annual budget also goes to covering unfunded federal mandates.